I am completely and utterly mystified by the lie of “reversible”.
A blocker is only reversible in adults past 25 or so, after they've stopped growing.
Endocrinologists know, or they shouldn’t be endocrinologists, that the removal of gonadotropin during rapid childhood growth is catastrophic. The combination of (at least) gonadotropin and human growth hormone is critical for a child becoming a mature adult in multiple ways, at least sexually, mentally, physiologically.
Look at this graph (growth hormone ranges by age from a paper at NIH)
You don’t “grow” after around 25. You do not have a peak again after 16. If you lose gonadotropin - “puberty hormone” over this period, it’s over. The train left the station and you're left on the "child" plago forever.
Simple question - havd you ever heard of someone who became adult size in a year of puberty? No? Then how is someone puberty blocked supposed to jump from child stature to adult stature in a year or so after blocks stop, say 18? Magic?
Imagine a child blocked from 12 to 18 - For a male does the penis "catch up" to adult size? Testicles? Can they orgasm? Ejaculate? For a female, does the vagina "catch up" to adult size? Ovaries, womb? Can they ovulate? Orgasm? How do they catch up without peak growth hormone?
And think. This is the stuff we see. What about the brain? The lungs? Bones?
Catastrophic. Don't take it on my word, Im not a doctor, but I can read medicine and I do understand biology, molecular biology.
I request tolerance in repeating an earlier post I have posted to GCN as I believe it is relevant to to 'Evidently correct'
It is noteworthy that despite the widespread debate as to the unknown long-term effects of puberty suppression in children and young people that the Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital Gender Service website makes no reference to this. I quote the relevant statement from the RCH website:
PUBERTY SUPPRESSION
Puberty blockers suppress the development of secondary sex characteristics and are used for adolescents in the early stages of pubertal development. As they are reversible in their effects, should an adolescent wish to stop taking them at any time, their biological puberty will resume".
"They are reversible in their effects" - Perhaps NOT?
I will communicate with RCH Gender Clinic and seek their clarification on this point, although I'm not optimistic that I will receive a response as I have questioned them in the past on this matter with no feedback.
Bernard, prof John Whitehall ( paediatric professor Western Sydney university) has just published in the Jan 22nd edition of Quadrant on the non reproductive risks associated with GnRHa. His contributions have been absent over recent years and have all appeared ( to my knowledge) in Quadrant. This recent article is scholarly and would be anathema to the editors of professional journals. His reference to veterinarian research was made years ago regarding puberty blockers and cognitive impairment but his voice was either dismissed or derided. He likely so suffered as his approach was guided by his openly expressed Christian faith. Sadly, there is nothing more guaranteed to meet such response than to suggest a pastoral approach in treatment. Do pick up a copy of the Jan 22 edition of Quadrant
Maybe you want to cc others (their office that deals with insurance, some group that is pursuing legal actions elsewhere in Australia??), it appears that it is going to also at some point become a question of deniability--they are being given these important questions and information and not responding.
It will be the lawyers and the insurance companies that slow down this run-away train. If clinicians are aware that there are developmental dangers, and a plaintiff can prove that they were aware or should have been aware, but failed to inform the patient of this possibility, then they are guilty of malpractice, at least in regards to obtaining true informed consent.
The insurer in Australia that restricted indemnity cover said it could not price the risk. I suspect this is not only because the likely regret rate is unclear but also because the media, medical societies & governments have created a miasma of misinformation about this field, so that it is difficult to know whom to trust.
More research will bring clarification, and force the medical profession to be more forthcoming to prospective patients, and to the parents, in the case of minors. There are a few instances where I'm thankful for plaintiff lawyers and their willingness to engage in new areas of litigation -- this is one of them.
I think more and more victims will be willing to come forward and bring legal action against these clinics and doctors as they realize they were duped and misinformed as to the reality of the surgeries and life-long drug dependence. The damning results of the current research finally being done will be the nail in the coffin for a lot of this butchery.
I am completely and utterly mystified by the lie of “reversible”.
A blocker is only reversible in adults past 25 or so, after they've stopped growing.
Endocrinologists know, or they shouldn’t be endocrinologists, that the removal of gonadotropin during rapid childhood growth is catastrophic. The combination of (at least) gonadotropin and human growth hormone is critical for a child becoming a mature adult in multiple ways, at least sexually, mentally, physiologically.
Look at this graph (growth hormone ranges by age from a paper at NIH)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279163/bin/age-rel-chang-ghaght-Image002.jpg
You don’t “grow” after around 25. You do not have a peak again after 16. If you lose gonadotropin - “puberty hormone” over this period, it’s over. The train left the station and you're left on the "child" plago forever.
Simple question - havd you ever heard of someone who became adult size in a year of puberty? No? Then how is someone puberty blocked supposed to jump from child stature to adult stature in a year or so after blocks stop, say 18? Magic?
Imagine a child blocked from 12 to 18 - For a male does the penis "catch up" to adult size? Testicles? Can they orgasm? Ejaculate? For a female, does the vagina "catch up" to adult size? Ovaries, womb? Can they ovulate? Orgasm? How do they catch up without peak growth hormone?
And think. This is the stuff we see. What about the brain? The lungs? Bones?
Catastrophic. Don't take it on my word, Im not a doctor, but I can read medicine and I do understand biology, molecular biology.
Catastrophic.
I request tolerance in repeating an earlier post I have posted to GCN as I believe it is relevant to to 'Evidently correct'
It is noteworthy that despite the widespread debate as to the unknown long-term effects of puberty suppression in children and young people that the Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital Gender Service website makes no reference to this. I quote the relevant statement from the RCH website:
PUBERTY SUPPRESSION
Puberty blockers suppress the development of secondary sex characteristics and are used for adolescents in the early stages of pubertal development. As they are reversible in their effects, should an adolescent wish to stop taking them at any time, their biological puberty will resume".
"They are reversible in their effects" - Perhaps NOT?
And yet the RCH clinic has admitted to patients & families via newsletter that the effects of puberty blockers on the brain are unknown.
Interesting!
I will communicate with RCH Gender Clinic and seek their clarification on this point, although I'm not optimistic that I will receive a response as I have questioned them in the past on this matter with no feedback.
Bernard, prof John Whitehall ( paediatric professor Western Sydney university) has just published in the Jan 22nd edition of Quadrant on the non reproductive risks associated with GnRHa. His contributions have been absent over recent years and have all appeared ( to my knowledge) in Quadrant. This recent article is scholarly and would be anathema to the editors of professional journals. His reference to veterinarian research was made years ago regarding puberty blockers and cognitive impairment but his voice was either dismissed or derided. He likely so suffered as his approach was guided by his openly expressed Christian faith. Sadly, there is nothing more guaranteed to meet such response than to suggest a pastoral approach in treatment. Do pick up a copy of the Jan 22 edition of Quadrant
Thanks Andrew. I plan to reference John’s paper in an article that I’m now writing. It was he who first alerted me to the blocker-brain issue. B
Maybe you want to cc others (their office that deals with insurance, some group that is pursuing legal actions elsewhere in Australia??), it appears that it is going to also at some point become a question of deniability--they are being given these important questions and information and not responding.
It will be the lawyers and the insurance companies that slow down this run-away train. If clinicians are aware that there are developmental dangers, and a plaintiff can prove that they were aware or should have been aware, but failed to inform the patient of this possibility, then they are guilty of malpractice, at least in regards to obtaining true informed consent.
The insurer in Australia that restricted indemnity cover said it could not price the risk. I suspect this is not only because the likely regret rate is unclear but also because the media, medical societies & governments have created a miasma of misinformation about this field, so that it is difficult to know whom to trust.
More research will bring clarification, and force the medical profession to be more forthcoming to prospective patients, and to the parents, in the case of minors. There are a few instances where I'm thankful for plaintiff lawyers and their willingness to engage in new areas of litigation -- this is one of them.
There's a list of US lawsuits here, for instance: https://www.broadview.news/p/eleven-lawsuits-by-detransitioners
and I know there is at least one in Australia that is publicly announced.
I think more and more victims will be willing to come forward and bring legal action against these clinics and doctors as they realize they were duped and misinformed as to the reality of the surgeries and life-long drug dependence. The damning results of the current research finally being done will be the nail in the coffin for a lot of this butchery.