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Jillian Stirling's avatar

A great summary. It seems like the message is to do nothing till a child is an adult and can make these life changing decisions.

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Vincent Keane's avatar

It is apparent that the days of unbridled 'gender transition' of children is coming to a close.

History will not be kind to those who practiced and promoted this weird concept and, as the long term studies have always told us, the cohort thus treated will inheret a disproportionate amount of regret, misery and suicide in its wake.

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Kyle Reese's avatar

i would like to think that. i really would. but I live in the US. and democrats really havent conceded anything. once trump is out of office things can go back to the way they were or are still in many places.

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Bernard Lane's avatar

It is one thing to demonstrate the moral & medical bankruptcy of gender medicine & another thing altogether to disestablish it & unravel it from our institutions.

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Guy van Hazel's avatar

Agree. “It may not be the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning.” Churchill 1943.

But when the end comes I will be nominating one Bernard Lane for AotY and or an AC. You have fought a courageous fight from the start to shine light on this medical disgrace.

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Vincent Keane's avatar

I respectfully disagree:

Medicine has historically been plagued with dreadful interventions and outcomes that have not undergone an appropriate ‘test’ to confirm efficacy and safety. I cite a few examples in the not-too-distant past:

Thalidomide, Frontal Lobotomy, electroconvulsive therapy and the Intravaginal sling (IVS).

Such inappropriate interventions are eventually seen for what they are and are withdrawn. Sadly the damage done often remains for the life of the poor souls thus subjected.

The tide is clearly turning in the public and medical sector of the inappropriateness ‘Gender Transition’ in children and it will become yet another medical mistake that will add to the list.

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Mumbum's avatar

The big difference with this one is the effectiveness of social media platforms and online stuff in promoting transpropaganda / gaslighting any dissenters

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Theo's avatar
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I must disagree. There is still a very long way to go before it’s over globally. According to some sources, there’s still as many as 70 countries with no restrictions on children medically transitioning. And even countries that have restricted it like the UK still allow it in some situations like clinical trials. There is still A LOT more work to be done!

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Mumbum's avatar

So thorough and meticulously put together as always thankyou.

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Beth's avatar

Excellent as usual Bernard. Well done especially on getting redaction reversed👍.

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Guy van Hazel's avatar

Thanks for an excellent summary Bernard.

I must admit to changing my mind about the proposed clinical trial in the UK.

While it might be the only thing that might put the final nail in the coffin of this medical disgrace I think it will just harm more children.

Coming from my field of Oncology, we would never be allowed by any Ethics Committee to advance a treatment to a Phase lll trial after such pathetic Phase ll results.

Health Authorities need to bite the bullet now and ban the treatment altogether.

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Thanks, Guy. I know people of good faith both pro- and con- the clinical trial. I don't understand how a trial with just a two-year follow up is supposed to deliver a credible verdict, especially about the effects on the brain. What determines the length of trials in oncology?

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Guy van Hazel's avatar

We are meant to maintain records for 15 years but follow up for Phase lll trials usually continue until there is a definitive answer to the question of survival. This is usually at least 5 years from the last patient entered into the trial.

However with these gender trials it appears that the adverse events start fairly late so I would expect long term follow up will be needed. And what are the end points they will examine?

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Andrew Orr's avatar

It has been some time since Tavistock’s closure, around which time I recall there were a hundred class actions which have been lodged. I wonder if they have been lodged against specific clinicians, G.I.D.S., or NHS England? The subsequent silence has been deafening. Can we obtain an update as to the status of those actions Bernard?

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