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Vincent Keane's avatar

The phrase evidence-based medicine (EBM) was coined by Gordon Guyatt, Professor of Medicine, McMaster university, and globally acknowledged as the lead authority in this defining demand for ensuring that ‘experimental’ medical interventions must provide ‘evidence’, that they are safe and effective.

Guyatt has famously stated that “When there’s been a rigorous systematic review of the evidence and the bottom line is ‘we don’t know’ then anybody who then claims they do know is not being evidence based.”

The ‘Affirmative’ model of addressing gender dysphoria is NOT evidence based!

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Sufeitzy's avatar

I think people have mistaken the grooming target in these situations. Normally you would imagine children are being groomed, but the child is unhappy with bullying and puberty related confusions already. They will tend to respond to anything they are told which helps.

The real grooming has been institutional - of medical practitioners, politicians, parents and teachers. The groomer establishes the threat and guilt that the child will die, that only groomers understand the problem, and only they can address the solution, contrary advice is hostile, and that they operate within a charitable context, and only they should provide mentoring with children.

It’s quite startling because in any other context, the people involved would be in prison - imaging groups of people online teaching children to wear inappropriate clothing, discussing sexual feelings, being told not to talk to their parents, receiving sexually orientated gifts from organizations, and asks to adopt sexually inappropriate behaviors and language - and record them and share them.

A child wearing assless leather chaps or a ball gag on camera is just as wrong as a child wearing binders, or a fake penis, or an underwear tuck, a bra.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Oh my gosh you are so spot on. You write it so clearly that I just see it so clearly.

Thanks

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Jazz's avatar

“Gender voodoo” is my favourite new way to describe all the anti science nonsense

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Perhaps unfair to voodoo.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Glad to see David Gillespie speak up but full coalition support for PHON’s motion fur an enquiry would have been better. Why isn’t Gillespie calling for an enquiry?

Gender affirming care is sowing a storm and will reap a whirlwind of legal action in the future as young people realise that they would have grown out of the confusion and move on to be the male or female that they were created to be.

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Dr Gillespie may have spoken frankly feeling he was among friends at the book launch. My hunch is that many in the Coalition are timid because they do not wish to be portrayed as bigoted culture warriors, as they would be in many media outlets.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Isn’t it time they developed a thicker skin and stood up for the children.

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Vincent Keane's avatar

I would like to be a fly on the wall at the RCH gender clinic tea-room in the coming days as staff express a positive response to Dr Gillespie's insightful comments..

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Difficult to penetrate the groupthink there, I suspect.

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Richard Gerraty's avatar

Interesting that Dr Gillespie goes further, and behind the medical aspects. But this is not a child of the Dutch model. Everything about queering society would have led us here. The naivety of our medical colleagues, and their shallow desire for social credit, backing the wrong side in this arena, parallels the climate madness. Tolerance or support of the QT agenda to which university graduate professionals are prey, and university employees and associates in particular, even or especially women, ironically, is still a bit bewildering. Lack of imagination is part of it, as is a lack of common sense. Paedophilia and MAP (minor attracted persons) is the end of one of the branches of this stuff. The kids in the foreground of the gender medicine ‘almost controversy’ are mere cannon fodder of the serious activists.

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Bernard Lane's avatar

I was an uninvited guest at a university function in parliament house last night. I was asked what I write about. The moment I answered there was a paralysis. At one level, they have no idea what they have unleashed. They are conventional people. But they do know that I have invited them to step into a minefield. B

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Richard Gerraty's avatar

Conventional people, not believing that anyone would actually put on a dress and declare they’re trans just to get into a women’s prison for sexual gratification. But then when they are referred to evidence they say it’s an isolated case, and then when there’s much more evidence they double down in their rejection. I’m amazed my female colleagues are abetting this attack on their own sex. Gender, they might correct me.

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Yes. A lack of imagination. A lack of exposure to malevolence.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Lots of females are- Kirralee being one and speaks for lots of us as does Women’s Forum, Rachael Wong and Stephanie Bastiaan. Not to mention to great Sall Grover. We need an enquiry at least, a real one unlike the covid one. Pauline Hanson tried to move a motion for an enquiry last week but got nowhere. The Coalition needs to get behind this and get one going.

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Richard Gerraty's avatar

Of course. Many notable heroines in this area including of course JK Rowling. Now those under 16 won’t be able to read what Rachel Wong and Sally Grover and Rowling say to correct what they’re being told in school.

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Ye

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Helen LEACH's avatar

What will it take to get some meaningful action in Australia? The Victorian government has its collective head right up there and refuses to even consider an inquiry. Same goes for the federal govt and many other MPs

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Bernard Lane's avatar

Difficult to know. There are more MPs in state & federal parliaments who understand the issue than say two years ago. But still a lot of fear of speaking out because major media outlets will portray them as bigoted culture warriors. Worth watching new Qld LNP government. Some insiders there pushing for action.

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Vincent Keane's avatar

I suspect that the gender zealots in the medical profession have dug a hole so deep that the have no option but to continue the fight, any hint of doubt would be career suicide.

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Joe Bloggs's avatar

This gives me hope that maybe the Nationals can push the Liberals in the right direction. If anyone knows that mammals can't change sex it's graziers, a core part of the Nationals' constituency.

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